Mark As per my second post on the Buddha/Belhop thread...I'm running without sound/ audio on my computer...Unless , I can link to text which explains your beliefs, or unless you can explain them to me...I'm pretty much feeling my way in the dark here...

I certainly believe in other dimensions, but I still dont believe in a physical rapture. And I dont construe Christ's ascension as being anything other than spiritual either...Christ had the power of mind over matter...which his miracles demonstrated...Ergo his mind is all that really mattered...Only mind energy/ spirit is eternal IMO... there's an interesting hypothesis called the CEMI ( Conscious, ElectroMagnetic Interference ) field theory which speaks to this...as does Einstein's E=MC2 revelation IMO...Matter and energy are interchangeable, so when some sects insist on a physical rapture, I think they're basically getting tripped up by semantics/ a misreading of scripture. I can take a break now, or keep typing, but some arbitrary arrangement of atoms in my brain, don't pre determine this, those atoms have no say in the matter...Matter can only exist in time and space , but Einstein also told us that ' time is just an illusion'....Mystics have said something similar, that Matter is just ' Maya' / illusion...Consciousness seems to be an inherently electromagnetic phenomenon...remember Jesus saying ' I am the LIGHT'

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Incidentally, ...Back in 1992, I connected with something incredibly powerful and incredibly loving ( Previously, I did not know that that much love could even exist...BUT IT DOES !) ...It wasn't God and it certainly wasn't material/ flesh either( though I do believe it was a small part of God, since IMO there is no actual separation between Creator and Creation, this too is Maya ) I have dubbed that thing that deigned to touch me in 1992 a ' PLURALITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS' ...But I've come to suspect that that ' Plurality' was not unlike what Judeo-Christians labelled ' The Elohim', ' ' the heavenly host' ' Divine Messengers' or more simply ' Angels'. I've no doubt that something akin to ' Angels' really do exist ! ...I seem to recall that Jewish mysticism has something like 72 different words, to describe different facets of God-consciousness, with the Elohim/ heavenly host being only one of these ( notably too... when God speaks in the old testament, he/she often does so in a manner reminiscent of a ' plurality' saying ' LET US '...do this, or that...

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As an aside...Back in 1992 I was given information, and that information pertained to the link between a woman named Henrietta Lacks ( who I believe has had more posthumous impact that anyone since Jesus Christ ) and a critical watershed in human history , wherein some very smug and arrogant biologists first began to succesfully cultivate human cells in vitro.

This led to a reckless mixing of human and animal tissues, in laboratory settings. This selfsame ' cell culture chaos ' - giving countless golden opportunities for exotic pathogens to cross species barriers - was also associated with tainted polio vaccines , which in turn spawned AIDS as well as unleashing a veritable Pandoras Box of alien retroviruses , along with feloviruses such as Marburg/ Ebola and more... ...There was likewise some very sinister bioweapons development programs taking place ( which is still on going ) further compounding the Biotech menace ( which somehow smacks of the ' Tree of Knowledge' at the centre of the garden of creation in Genesis, Mary Shelley's ' Frankenstein ( born from a subliminal nightmare ) AND MORE !!!...

In Essence...We are currently in an Age of Manmade Pandemic ( thRough both evil intents and/or smug scientific incompetence ) which has the potential to become more destructive than all the wars in history combined, and AIDS is just the tip of the Iceberg !

Sorry, once again I digress...cuz what I really wanted to talk about was Angels...

Because I think this subject also speaks to my disbelief in a ' physical/ flesh and blood rapture '



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The Persian mystic Rumi said something to the effect that human beings would eventually spirtually evolve into an angelic form, and I also strongly suspect that that is true. Outside our physical bodies, as spirits, we have no corporeal eyes or ears, Ergo ...communication must be telepathic, and in this ' language of the soul' misunderstandings are quite impossible.

Surely , In a disembodied state...we would tend to link/gravitate to minds on a similar wavelength, as our own....eventually becoming no longer ' individualities' per se...but increasingly more akin to ' pluralities of consciousness' , which again is pretty much how I envision angelic beings...

Of course I also believe in reincarnation ( and I've seen evidence of this in my own inner circle, as well as being literally bombarded with what Jung called ' synchronicity/ meaningful coincidences'

...but getting back to ' pluralities of consciousness/ angels...

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In the Old and New testament ( if I'm not mistaken ) Angels are construed as having some God given control over the terrestrial forces of Nature. Christian dogma does not agree with this, but I suspect that the angels were once corporeal beings much like us... by playing a role in the workings of earthly ecosystems/human history etc ... Angels may be going ' back to their roots' ( so to speak ) and learning new lessons ( through pseudo parental roles ) which also helps them to ' spiritually evolve' further still, towards a greater and greater understanding/ link with the mind of the Creator ( which is both immanent and transcendent in all things IMO )

I think a similar far flung future is in store for Mankind...Which is one reason why I think this Biosphere will NOT be destroyed... We ARE making a mess of things sure...BUT ( speaking figuratively ) I don't think we'll ever ' be given enough rope to actually hang/destroy ourselves ' ( if you catch my drift )

Collectively, We MUST BE ALLOWED TO LEARN from our mistakes ( which is how we grow ) if we are allowed to trash this planet, then simply be supplied with a new one...Without question, we will NOT have even begun to learn all of the lessons that Mother Nature ( her sublime ecosystems etc ) combined with our own hubris...still have to teach us...

Destroying this biosphere, and then moving on, would in my mind be a collosal FAILURE for Homo Sapiens...I'm convinced that the ' spiritual powers that be' would NOT allow this to happen...Despite the existence of ' free will, we are NOT the only players in human history...Comparatively lowly beings such as ourselves must be child's play for angelic hands ( etcetera ) to manipulate behind the scenes... To reiterate : The Earth was NOT created simply for man to destroy ( IMO ) ... Again ....because Nature still has so-ooooo much more to teach us,which will in turn , give us so-ooo much more insight into ourselves

Here's a poetic ( and I suspect ' prescient' ) quote from T.S. Eliot which seems to speak to this point :

Sorry for being so long winded but now ...I really gotta go...

PEACE OUT