Those on the Ascension path naturally look forward to the time when our Ascension process culminates in actual personal Ascension. But when will this happen? Channeled information usually does not point to a specific time period other than the implication that the time draws near. On the other hand the Ken Carey books have pointed to the Winter Solstice of 2012 as a possible time of a Quantum Moment of Awakening.

What significance should those on the Ascension path attach to the year 2012?

It's my personal opinion that we should not vest our hopes in any particular date, because God works on his/her own time. In any case, it is also my belief that no one, not even the ascended masters, know the exact date.

I think that just like those in the original Christian church, we should do our work with calm urgency and be always ready for what may come, while we should expect that the time of fullness, may be days, months, years or even decades away from now.

Also keep in mind that Ascension requires non-attachment, thus if we attach ourselves to specific dates, we are going against the flow. We are also setting ourselves up for dissapointment, if these hopes are not met on this date.

Yea its that whole pack Ur bags unpack Ur bags thing. God spoke he said in his time not ours. so the best thing is not to worry live life and love to your fullest.The time will come.
I don't like when people play this card because if it doesn't happen then they are liars. The best answer to that one is it will come when he commands it no sooner no later.

Yes, it's natural for humans to look forward to desired anticipated future events, and from my reading I've seen that humans have over and over attempted to set a predicted date for the "End Times" and/or "Rapture". And time and again, the projected dates have quietly come and gone.

I think it's very important to not live in the future, this robs us of our power and distracts us from the most important moment, the Now. The past is just a memory, the future is just a dream. The Now is the only reality, it's when things actually happen. The Now is when we can find ourselves closer to God. So, I would propose to stay in the moment as much as possible.

Like the title of a great book I once read:

Be Here Now

Perhaps it is best if we live our lives as if The Kingdom has already come. Now is the only time that we have. Now is the only time that anything is possible. There are already castles in the sky right now! Everything that will supposedly become available is already available right now. It may require a gestation period, it probably does requires a period of growth, silence, or focused effort. Nevertheless, conception happens in this moment. Conceive of your ascension now and live as if it has already happened. Waiting to be happy, or waiting for salvation will only create a perpetual cycle of waiting. Then for you this ascension will never take place because in the minds of the gods (you) it will always exist in the future. Do not underestimate the power of your godly mind to create and manifest your thoughts and desires. Therefore if you are really serious about ascension, it is not in your interest to hold the thoughts and feelings of "future" in your mind. Instead think, "Now is my ascension, This day!" and So Be It!

Hi Eudora, good to see you. Wonderful advice.

Your last sentence makes me think of the power of affirmations. I think this is a great idea, and a practical productive way to approach it.

I AM that I AM!

Now is my ascension, This day! and So Be It!

Mark : What do you mean when you say : ‘ Those on the ascension path ?' Isn't all of humanity engaged in a collective process of spiritual evolution ? Aren't we all ultimately moving forward, even if our paths seem at times to be rather circuitous ? Furthermore, aren't the divisions ostensibly separating individual selves ultimately illusory anyway ? Aren't we all part of the same spiritual whole, whose alpha and omega is none other than the Creator ?

Also when you talk about an ' actual personal ascension' are you professing a belief in a tangible/ temporal/ fleshly rapture as opposed to a purely spiritual awakening ?

Mark : I don't know anything about Ken Carey. For ought I know, his precepts of a massive spiritual awakening may be very different from a physical rapture BUT...For the past 150 years, or more, literally dozens of modern Doomsday cults ( in North America alone ) have pointed to one particular day, or month , or year, or what have you...as the appointed hour of a supposed rapture - a physical/ fleshly transportation of the elect to some sort of pre-arranged new heaven / earth . Even two millennia before this, at the time of the early Christians, and various Judaic sects circa Christ's day, doomsday cults were quite popular. This is a dogma which I don't personally subscribe to.

I consider dogma of a ‘ corporeal rapture ' potentially dangerous since it seems to absolve the elect of any responsibility vis a vis trying to alleviate the suffering of their fellow man, here and now ! To me, this dogma doesn't strive to emulate Christ ( aka to walk in a Christ-like path ). Jesus quite clearly, was very concerned with human suffering, and spent much of his earthly ministry trying to alleviate this.

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Again in my mind, many right wing evangelical types seem adverse ( for example ) to ecological green movements , which seek sane sustain-able development( which will surely help to alleviate future human suffering ) , because they think that the current earth is about to be consumed by fire anyway, and that all the non believers ( those who don't subscribe to their narrow interpretation of Jesus' message ) are similarly, about to be consigned to eternal hellfire after suffering violent corporeal deaths en masse ( the evangelical ' left behind series' provides an imaginative apocalyptic endtimes scenario in video form which is nothing short of sadistic )

Maybe its just me, But I find that there is something vaguely sinister and inherently un-Christlike in looking forward to an apocalyptic endtime wherein not just the wicked , but ostensibly even all non-believers , by the billions, are to be horribly punished/ must suffer... simply for not being a member of their chosen cult/sect.

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Didn't Jesus say something to the affect that: God's Kingdom is NOT some futuristic space-time event, that it was NEITHER here NOR there, But rather ...already spread out everywhere on the earth, though men see it not ?

Surely GOD'S KINGDOM is NOT a physical state. It's A STATE OF MIND.

Peace Out...

Hello!

You are correct. Of course, it's all a big process, that we are all on. When I say "those on the ascension path", I simply mean those who have studied the materials on The Ascension and see themselves as working towards the goals of Self-Realization followed by the actual physical Ascension event. Naturally for those such individuals there is some interest in when this moment might arrive.

Study of the materials on this site would probably clarify that question.

Agreed.

I believe that God's Kingdom is something that is all pervasive. Mind is only a single dimension of many. I think that the perfection of this Kingdom can span all dimensions simulataneously. So, it's a state of spirit, a state of mind, a state of emotion, a state of physical reality and more.

Mark As per my second post on the Buddha/Belhop thread...I'm running without sound/ audio on my computer...Unless , I can link to text which explains your beliefs, or unless you can explain them to me...I'm pretty much feeling my way in the dark here...

I certainly believe in other dimensions, but I still dont believe in a physical rapture. And I dont construe Christ's ascension as being anything other than spiritual either...Christ had the power of mind over matter...which his miracles demonstrated...Ergo his mind is all that really mattered...Only mind energy/ spirit is eternal IMO... there's an interesting hypothesis called the CEMI ( Conscious, ElectroMagnetic Interference ) field theory which speaks to this...as does Einstein's E=MC2 revelation IMO...Matter and energy are interchangeable, so when some sects insist on a physical rapture, I think they're basically getting tripped up by semantics/ a misreading of scripture. I can take a break now, or keep typing, but some arbitrary arrangement of atoms in my brain, don't pre determine this, those atoms have no say in the matter...Matter can only exist in time and space , but Einstein also told us that ' time is just an illusion'....Mystics have said something similar, that Matter is just ' Maya' / illusion...Consciousness seems to be an inherently electromagnetic phenomenon...remember Jesus saying ' I am the LIGHT'

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Incidentally, ...Back in 1992, I connected with something incredibly powerful and incredibly loving ( Previously, I did not know that that much love could even exist...BUT IT DOES !) ...It wasn't God and it certainly wasn't material/ flesh either( though I do believe it was a small part of God, since IMO there is no actual separation between Creator and Creation, this too is Maya ) I have dubbed that thing that deigned to touch me in 1992 a ' PLURALITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS' ...But I've come to suspect that that ' Plurality' was not unlike what Judeo-Christians labelled ' The Elohim', ' ' the heavenly host' ' Divine Messengers' or more simply ' Angels'. I've no doubt that something akin to ' Angels' really do exist ! ...I seem to recall that Jewish mysticism has something like 72 different words, to describe different facets of God-consciousness, with the Elohim/ heavenly host being only one of these ( notably too... when God speaks in the old testament, he/she often does so in a manner reminiscent of a ' plurality' saying ' LET US '...do this, or that...

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As an aside...Back in 1992 I was given information, and that information pertained to the link between a woman named Henrietta Lacks ( who I believe has had more posthumous impact that anyone since Jesus Christ ) and a critical watershed in human history , wherein some very smug and arrogant biologists first began to succesfully cultivate human cells in vitro.

This led to a reckless mixing of human and animal tissues, in laboratory settings. This selfsame ' cell culture chaos ' - giving countless golden opportunities for exotic pathogens to cross species barriers - was also associated with tainted polio vaccines , which in turn spawned AIDS as well as unleashing a veritable Pandoras Box of alien retroviruses , along with feloviruses such as Marburg/ Ebola and more... ...There was likewise some very sinister bioweapons development programs taking place ( which is still on going ) further compounding the Biotech menace ( which somehow smacks of the ' Tree of Knowledge' at the centre of the garden of creation in Genesis, Mary Shelley's ' Frankenstein ( born from a subliminal nightmare ) AND MORE !!!...

In Essence...We are currently in an Age of Manmade Pandemic ( thRough both evil intents and/or smug scientific incompetence ) which has the potential to become more destructive than all the wars in history combined, and AIDS is just the tip of the Iceberg !

Sorry, once again I digress...cuz what I really wanted to talk about was Angels...

Because I think this subject also speaks to my disbelief in a ' physical/ flesh and blood rapture '



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The Persian mystic Rumi said something to the effect that human beings would eventually spirtually evolve into an angelic form, and I also strongly suspect that that is true. Outside our physical bodies, as spirits, we have no corporeal eyes or ears, Ergo ...communication must be telepathic, and in this ' language of the soul' misunderstandings are quite impossible.

Surely , In a disembodied state...we would tend to link/gravitate to minds on a similar wavelength, as our own....eventually becoming no longer ' individualities' per se...but increasingly more akin to ' pluralities of consciousness' , which again is pretty much how I envision angelic beings...

Of course I also believe in reincarnation ( and I've seen evidence of this in my own inner circle, as well as being literally bombarded with what Jung called ' synchronicity/ meaningful coincidences'

...but getting back to ' pluralities of consciousness/ angels...

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In the Old and New testament ( if I'm not mistaken ) Angels are construed as having some God given control over the terrestrial forces of Nature. Christian dogma does not agree with this, but I suspect that the angels were once corporeal beings much like us... by playing a role in the workings of earthly ecosystems/human history etc ... Angels may be going ' back to their roots' ( so to speak ) and learning new lessons ( through pseudo parental roles ) which also helps them to ' spiritually evolve' further still, towards a greater and greater understanding/ link with the mind of the Creator ( which is both immanent and transcendent in all things IMO )

I think a similar far flung future is in store for Mankind...Which is one reason why I think this Biosphere will NOT be destroyed... We ARE making a mess of things sure...BUT ( speaking figuratively ) I don't think we'll ever ' be given enough rope to actually hang/destroy ourselves ' ( if you catch my drift )

Collectively, We MUST BE ALLOWED TO LEARN from our mistakes ( which is how we grow ) if we are allowed to trash this planet, then simply be supplied with a new one...Without question, we will NOT have even begun to learn all of the lessons that Mother Nature ( her sublime ecosystems etc ) combined with our own hubris...still have to teach us...

Destroying this biosphere, and then moving on, would in my mind be a collosal FAILURE for Homo Sapiens...I'm convinced that the ' spiritual powers that be' would NOT allow this to happen...Despite the existence of ' free will, we are NOT the only players in human history...Comparatively lowly beings such as ourselves must be child's play for angelic hands ( etcetera ) to manipulate behind the scenes... To reiterate : The Earth was NOT created simply for man to destroy ( IMO ) ... Again ....because Nature still has so-ooooo much more to teach us,which will in turn , give us so-ooo much more insight into ourselves

Here's a poetic ( and I suspect ' prescient' ) quote from T.S. Eliot which seems to speak to this point :

Sorry for being so long winded but now ...I really gotta go...

PEACE OUT